Talking with Green Teachers

Passing the baton to Take Me Outside!

Ian and Sofía share a short message of thanks as well as a preview of what's to come.

In short, longtime partner organization Take Me Outside will be taking over the show and creating all forthcoming new episodes.

Everything on your end will stay the same: old episodes will remain exactly where they are, and new episodes will start populating on this same channel.

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Episode 62: Energy transition narratives: good-faith, bad-faith, and keeping the faith

With Max Fawcett of Canada’s National Observer

What sorts of narratives about the energy transition are out there? Which ones are developed in good faith and which ones are developed in bad faith? Why is it important that we find the right balance between optimism and urgency? How can we have effective conversations with people who are resistant to the energy transition? Journalist Max Fawcett has long been on the energy beat, and he shares his insights on which narratives to embrace and which ones to avoid.

Guest:

Max Fawcett is the lead columnist for Canada's National Observer and the former editor of Alberta Oil magazine and Vancouver magazine. He worked in Alberta's Climate Change Office from 2017–19, and lives in Calgary today with his wife and son.

*Episode edited by M. Angel Goñi Avila

*Episode recorded in October 2023

*Episode produced with support from the Ivey Foundation

Episode 61: A Two-Worlds Approach to nurturing empathy in young children

With Claire Underwood of the University of Cincinnati’s Artlitt Center for Education, Research, & Sustainability and Children, Youth, Environments (CYE) Journal

What does empathy look like in young children? How can we nurture it? When do we just need to step back and let children sort through the complexities of the natural world? Claire Underwood recently participated in a Community of Practice centred on using a Two-Worlds Approach to develop an empathy model for young children. This work was rooted in Natural Curiosity’s four-branch framework of children’s environmental inquiry informed by Indigenous perspectives. In this fascinating discussion, Claire shares the findings from the CoP as well as stories from educators who have implemented the empathy model in their teaching.

Guest:

Claire Underwood is a Doctoral Student at the University of Cincinnati, where she is the Editorial Assistant for the Children, Youth, Environments (CYE) Journal and conducts research with the Artlitt Center for Education, Research, & Sustainability. 

After more than a decade working in non-profit leadership and community organizing focusing on environmental and social justice, Claire returned to academia to earn her Master's in Environmental Education at the University of Minnesota Duluth. There, her work focused on the impact of nature-based learning on children’s empathy development. Claire co-designed and co-facilitated a seven-month professional learning experience that supported 15 early childhood educators in deepening their empathy practices through intentional & respectful engagement with Indigenous peoples and perspectives. 

Through her work, Claire seeks to support teachers, children, and their families in creating experiences that affirm children’s agency, support their connection to the Earth, and work meaningfully together toward a just and sustainable present and future.

Learn more at https://www.clairecunderwood.com/.

Read the All Relatives Share Empathy article here.

*Episode edited by M. Angel Goñi Avila

Episode 60: Nature’s best hope (for kids)

With Douglas Tallamy of the Department of Entomology and Wildlife Ecology at the University of Delaware and Homegrown National Park

What is Homegrown National Park and what does it look like? How can we all do our part — at home — to contribute not just to conservation but also restoration? From where does the fixation on “the perfect lawn” originate? Why is it so important to shift to a mindset of seeing properties as functional and not just decorative? Following the release of Nature’s Best Hope: Young Readers’ Edition, Doug joined us to share many of the valuable insights contained in both versions of his bestselling and inspiring book! 

Guest:

Douglas W. Tallamy is a professor in the Department of Entomology and Wildlife Ecology at the University of Delaware. Chief among his research goals is to better understand the many ways insects interact with plants and how such interactions determine the diversity of animal communities. He is author of Bringing Nature Home, Nature’s Best Hope, and The Nature of Oaks; and co-founder with Michelle Alfandari of Homegrown National Park, visit it at HNPARK.org.

*Episode edited by M. Angel Goñi Avila

Episode 59: The lives of bees and pollinating wasps

With Heather Holm of Pollination Press and www.pollinatorsnativeplants.com

Which common species of native bees can be readily observed in your community? Why do wasps often fly under the radar when it comes to their impact as pollinators? What are some quick and easy tips for observing bees and wasps? Heather devotes much of her time to observing, photographing, documenting, and attracting bees, wasps, and other pollinators. She has also published several books on these remarkable insects. We are learning more about bees and wasps all the time, and Heather is playing a major role in expanding our collective knowledge. She shares some of her insights and stories in this lively discussion.

Guest:

Heather Holm is a biologist, pollinator conservationist, and award-winning author. She passionately informs and educates audiences nationwide, through her writing and many presentations, about the fascinating world of native pollinators and beneficial insects, and the native plant communities that support them. Heather is the author of four books: Pollinators of Native Plants (2014), Bees (2017), Wasps (2021), and Common Native Bees of the Eastern United States (2022). Both Bees and Wasps have won multiple book awards including the American Horticultural Society Book Award (2018 and 2022 respectively). Heather’s expertise includes the interactions between native pollinators and native plants, and the natural history and biology of native bees and predatory wasps. Her work has been featured in the New York Times, Minneapolis Star Tribune, and many local publications. Heather is also an accomplished photographer, and her pollinator photos are frequently featured in print and electronic publications. 

Click here for Heather’s expanded biography as well as links to her iNaturalist and social media pages.

*Episode edited by M. Angel Goñi Avila

*Episode recorded in March 2023

Episode 58: Learning through a forest lens

With Jess Kaknevicius of Project Learning Tree

What is our responsibility to forests? How can educators help the uninitiated forge connections with forests? Why are tree-light areas still perfectly suitable places for learning about forests? In what ways can we plant the seeds for developing a conservation mindset? Jess helps us unpack these concepts, while sharing some guiding questions from PLT’s Forest Literacy Framework. There’s also talk of Moon Trees, thinking seven generations ahead, spirit trees, and the differences between preservation and conservation.

Guest:

Jess Kaknevicius just completed a term as Vice President of Education at the Sustainable Forestry Initiative (SFI), overseeing Project Learning Tree, an initiative of SFI. She helps to grow a lifetime of learning through environmental education, forest literacy, and career pathways using trees and forests as windows on the world.

Learn more about PLT’s Forest Literacy Framework at https://www.plt.org/forestliteracy.

*Episode edited by M. Angel Goñi Avila

*Episode recorded in March 2023

Episode 57: Regenerating habitat for native pollinators

With Lorraine Johnson of Project Swallowtail and lorrainejohnson.ca

Why is the concept and practice of ‘regeneration’ such an important companion for ‘sustainability’? What opportunities and challenges exist for folks in urban areas who wish to restore native plants? How about in rural areas? Which questions and misconceptions about pollinators and native plants continuously arise? Lorraine Johnson has spent decades creating habitat for native pollinators, while writing numerous books on this important and joyous practice. She shares her insights, tips, and stories in this rich conversation… and gives a little love to those oft-misunderstood goldenrods! 

Guest:

Lorraine Johnson has been writing about native plants and habitat regeneration for 30 years, in popular books such as 100 Easy-to-Grow Native Plants for Canadian Gardens; The New Ontario Naturalized Garden; Grow Wild!; and her most recent, co-authored with Sheila Colla, A Garden for the Rusty-Patched Bumblebee. Lorraine is involved in many community organizations, such as Project Swallowtail, and has served on the Boards of the North American Native Plant Society, LEAF, Wild Ones, and other organizations. Her advocacy work includes efforts to reform grass and weeds bylaws in support of biodiversity. What unites her work is the need to reconcile with nature in a healthy relationship. Learn more at https://lorrainejohnson.ca/.

*Episode edited by M. Angel Goñi Avila

*Episode recorded in March 2023

Episode 56: Having richer and more meaningful conversations with children

With Rebecca Rolland of Harvard Graduate School of Education and Harvard Medical School

What is “rich talk”? Why is the outdoors such an ideal setting for having meaningful conversations with children? How can we discuss with kids weighty topics like climate change without overwhelming them? Drawing on research and insights detailed in her book The Art of Talking with Children, Rebecca Rolland connects the dots to outdoor and environmental educators in this lively discussion that also touches on the importance of embracing moments of silence, the characteristics of a global citizen, engaging with people who have different perspectives, and meeting young learners where they’re at when it comes to temperament.   

Guest:

Rebecca Rolland is a lecturer at the Harvard Graduate School of Education and serves on the faculty at Harvard Medical School. She also served as an oral and written language specialist in the Neurology Department of Boston Children's Hospital. As a nationally certified speech-language pathologist, she has worked clinically with populations ranging from early childhood through high school and has provided teacher professional development. She has an Ed.D. from the Harvard Graduate School of Education, an M.S. in Speech-Language Pathology from the MGH Institute of Health Professions, an M.A. in English from Boston University, and a B.A. in English from Yale.

*Episode edited by M. Angel Goñi Avila

Episode 55: Pre-K environmental ed.

With Jayne Black of Green Schools Rock, Project WET, and Project WILD

How can educators engage Pre-K learners in outdoor and environmental learning? What are some pitfalls to avoid when working with this age group? Why is student-led learning so impactful? Jayne has worked hard to foster her young learners’ environmental literacy while taking major steps to make her school healthier and more sustainable. This involves the use of outdoor learning spaces, including two school gardens where wonder and curiosity are allowed to flourish.

Guests:

Jayne Black is a Pre-K teacher, Founder of Green Schools Rock, a free inclusive program that is shaping kids to be green leaders in their schools and communities. Jayne is Mrs USA Earth Eco 2023 and serves as an ambassador for Beauties for a Cause, a 501 (c)3 non-profit organization, committed to environmental advocacy and education. Jayne serves as a commissioner of her city’s sustainability commission. She is a certified facilitator for Project WET and Project WILD, a certified green schools classroom professional, and a green schools mentor for Illinois Green Alliance. Jayne is actively working on clean air legislation for schools in Wisconsin.

Learn more about Green Schools Rock Awareness Day here!

*Episode edited by M. Angel Goñi Avila

Episode 54: Engaging children in climate/waste solutions

With Zachary Fox-DeVol and Clare Marder of We The Children

What can educators do to spark young children’s interest in climate change? Why is it important to bring levity and lightness to discussions about environmental crises? How can we do this without giving learners false optimism? Student-podcaster Zach and teacher-mentor Clare discuss these questions, while sharing climate/waste solutions that inspire them as well as offering practical advice for young people and their educators. We also touch on the necessity of collective action and policy engagement on the road toward decarbonization.

Guests:

Zach Fox-Devol (in his own words): In 2020, my teacher suggested that we write a podcast script. I began writing and narrating the podcast called Rule of The Bark. Funny interviews and helpful tips are shared. In December 2021 I started We The Children, the podcast where kids talk climate change! In each episode, we meet climate warriors who are working to protect our planet. We have wacky weather reports, play fun trivia games, and feature an Action Step of the week. I have a dog named Ewok, a cat named Pax, and two moms. When I'm not working on podcasts, you can find me working on magic tricks, chess, and my Rubik's cube.

Clare Marder is an educator in Los Angeles, California, USA. Originally from the Boston area, she has always had a deep appreciation for nature. Clare went to Sarah Lawrence College (New York) and Pepperdine University (California). She lives with her husband and two-year-old son, Jack.

*Episode edited by M. Angel Goñi Avila